A guarantee means different things to different people.
- Occupier: No leaks.
- Developer: Property easily sold on. (Any leaks hidden).
- Latent Defect Warranty provider. Below ground waterproofing excluded from cover.
These 3 requirements are completely distinct and different from each other.
- The Occupier wants good workmanship.
- The Developer just wants the Latent Defects Warranty his buyer's solicitor will look for.
- The Latent Defect Warranty provider does not include below ground waterproofing in his cover.
To keep this secret some will probably insist on a guaranteed insurance-backed internal drainage system.
Therefore, if the basement leaks, there won't be a claim, the water will be pumped away
(until the pump breaks down years later, but that's the occupier's problem).
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Complete peace of mind for the occupier needs only the first - good workmanship and no leaks.
No one needs all 3.
He might be happier with two defences not one and he will want them both installed / fitted / incorporated properly.
The Developer needs the Latent Defects Warranty to be able to sell the new home before he has finished building it. So he probably has no choice but to include internal drainage. £40,000 sometimes, so shop around.
But neither do the developer or the insurer want what the occupier wants.
The warranty provider wants to avoid any future claim.
The NHBC position seems to be, get a CSSW surveyor involved during the design process to specify an insurance-backed internal drainage system that will cope with any amount of water - regardless of the potential for water which in some areas is only minor.
Other warranty providers, building control and architects would like to see internal drainage mentioned on the drawings but would not usually need to see a brand or a design. Just the expectation that leaks will be dealt with.
They can mostly be invited back before the house is finished and persuaded to do away with internal drainage in favour of waterproof paint if they can see with their own eyes a completely dry basement shortly after a period of heavy rain.
Actually, one client persuaded NHBC to drop their insistence for internal drainage as well, but not until after 6 annual inspections never finding any water ingress.
Could an internal drainage pump fail after a few years?
Go to this page and watch the video on Youtube
This basement was built so badly and leaked so much that the pump switched on and off about a million times over 8 years. Many pumps and pipes failed and the basement flooded many times.
We leave you a basement that does not visibly leak, at all, probably completely waterproof.
We will return and stop any visible water coming through our work for 12 years.
We will fit a sump for a pump to enable a fitter who gives you a warranty to install his equipment easily, later. Or you can fit your own. Or you can fill it in.
You probably only have to have a warranty if you borrow to build or might sell within 10 years. See below for some ways round the problem.
But if you never want a pump to fail, either because of a break down or a power cut, you need the basement built never to leak.
That is what we do. Build basements with no visible leak through our work.
None of the basements we built in the last 7 years has any leak.
Most were for clients to live in themselves so most don't have internal drainage. They are dry from our workmanship alone.
We built this basement during 2015 and the clients moved in November 2016.
The basement has no insulation, no heating and no internal drainage. So far it has been a constant 10°C. And it is dry.
SPECIAL NOTE ABOUT AVOIDING NHBC
It is a fact that NHBC do not include beneath ground waterproofing in their warranty. None of the warranty providers do.
That doesn't stop NHBC having some very strong rules.
I repeatedly hear prospective clients telling me the same
usual sad tales about NHBC insisting on huge extra costs for methods I explain elsewhere on my web pages will fail, and sometimes I made notes as they spoke.
Not only would NHBC not give one his warranty if he didn't obey, he was told they wouldn't give him building regulations approval either - which is surely outrageous. If your design meets all building regulations how can you be blackmailed into using unnecessary or unsuitable products on the NHBC approved list? Are NHBC on a commission?
That caller says he tried to check with head office about this approved list but they wouldn't confirm or deny what his inspector had told him.
Do all products have to have a BBA certificate or else they cannot be used?
Not according to a statement here from the BBA web site 22 Oct 17 stating that a specifier needs to make a judgement, not just trust a product because it has a certificate.
NHBC inspectors are insisting that everything you use must have a BBA certificate if a product with one is available.
The trouble with insisting on a certificate is that the product supplier might think he has you over a barrel if his products are specified. He can sell you extras and you have no leverage to get a discount.
NHBC inspectors have insisted on sticky backed membranes and bentonite clay carpets as Type A protection (:where BBA certified Type B concreting has not been used).
Sticky back membranes have probably never been installed 100% successfully. The main issues are:
1. Even if your slab blinding is as smooth and dust free as a snooker table and the membrane won't be punctured by debris underneath, your steel fixers are likely to puncture it with steel reinforcing bars.
2. Where membrane is left loose round the slab to fold up the sides later, it gets damaged when the slab formwork is removed. Even if tears are repaired, strips cannot be cleaned and dried before they are joined right beside the bottom of the slab. So they will always leak round the bottom of a basement slab.
A video I made last time I built an NHBC warranted basement.
3. The strips will not stick, either, against the walls on the North side that never gets the sun if the excavation is damp. Even with primer, sticky back membrane does not stick if the atmosphere is damp.
4. Any external membrane is easily damaged during backfilling.
Bentonite clay carpets are designed to swell when any water tries to get from the earth to the basement walls. Trapped with no space to spare between a wall and the backfill, it swells to form a continuous layer of impermeable clay.
1. But it expands very readily on contact with water. In the UK this is at the first opportunity after the packaging is removed and it will be too heavy, as well as already useless, to fit properly if it has already soaked up water and expanded.
2. It will soak up any water while in the formwork waiting for concrete and the wet clay powder will tear the stitching and sink as one lump to the bottom, preventing any concrete against the steel reinforcement. As well as failing to waterproof, these carpets have the capacity to make the structure fail.
3. The carpet will soak up any water and the clay sink as one lump in the bottom after the formwork is removed and while the wall concrete gains enough strength before it can be backfilled.
NHBC always insist the builder follows the advice of a CSSW surveyor.
As far as I know, that means he will have to have internal drainage installed capable of dealing with a substantial flow of water, whether or not he has any leaks.
For many, this means having to have £40,000 or whatever of internal drainage to satisfy NHBC.
1. Including a channel around the internal edge of the floor slab. To avoid impeding the structure this means excavating deeper to cast a deeper slab.
2. A flood test. This means NHBC want to come and watch you throw buckets of water over the floor slab and they expect to see all that water flow to the edge channel and on to the sump - even if the basement does not leak.
It is quite easy to get concrete smooth and level if you let the concrete gang add loads of water to the wet concrete. But that will weaken the concrete and make it more porous. It is very difficult to get a waterproof concrete mix smooth and level because it is stiff to move and it sets quickly.
Therefore, it would be ridiculously difficult to use waterproof concrete if you use NHBC.
But if you don't use waterproof concrete, NHBC will make you use an external protection that is very unlikely to work either.
That, ironically, makes the extremely expensive internal drainage essential, because NHBC make you have two defences (fair enough) but their other rules prevent any defence ahead of the internal drainage working.
If you use a waterproof concrete Type B protection:
NHBC inspectors insist on kickers at the bottom of basement walls.
kickers leak. Follow this link.
NHBC inspectors insist on a waterproofing strip along all joints.
One caller was worried about the cost. Especially after the concrete admixture supplier with a BBA certificate demanded he buy strip for 19 joints because of the pour sequence.
Strips and tapes etc. do not work unless they are installed properly and protected until concreted over and only if the concreting is performed properly.
If the concreting is performed properly and the joint formed to BS 8007, it won't need a tape or strip.
You will have to use a concrete admixture with a BBA certificate
despite none of these certificates proving that they either make any beneficial difference or that the concrete you have to use on site has faced any testing or evidence it works.
My personal experience is that far too often the batching plant is left alone to make concrete how they usually do. They make concrete with the same water as usual and put the sachets that contain a water-reducing agent in as well.
That means not making any effort to measure what should be a restricted amount of water.
I have had many calls about concrete with some of these brands in it cracking across the surface the following day. Cracks after only 24 hours sound to me like too much water (which could not be waterproof). 24 hours is too soon for cooling cracks.
I sell the best plasticiser for the job on its own and I take test cubes proving that the concrete used on site is impermeable. If I am supervising I get the concrete delivered with only 60mm slump, so I know it isn't wet. I mix in the plasiciser at site increasing the slump to what is easily pumped.
Does all this pedantry mean that if you claim against NHBC you can feel certain that they would organise good tradespeople and good materials?
Not according to one person who wrote to me
"I am desperate for some advice , as no one seems to be able to explain the cause and this has seriously impacted our lives over the last five years. As you can imagine we have had many NHBC technical people over the five years and NHBC have been slow to address the issues.
It was found after the first NHBC subcontractor assigned to job whose standard of work was negligent, and a second NHBC contractor was assigned the claim that the original build had cavity trays installed back the front, and the lead work was not rolled to seal the joints just laid flat but with mastic as a seal."
If you ask 101 people for advice about waterproofing a basement you will get 101 different answers.
The reason for that is they usually expect all the workmanship to be very poor.
The best advice will be to BS 8102: Code of practice for the protection of below ground structures against water from the ground.
BS 8102 states two defences and:
"the water resistance of the structure should be improved prior to the installation of the Type C protection".
One of your defences needs to work and concrete is the only defence no one else can damage later.
That's why we believe it is the one defence you do as well as possible.
We were once asked to see a basement in Hammersmith that leaked everywhere.
Over 8 years the various pumps failed many times and the basement kept flooding.
Most basement labour, who see on the drawings that internal drainage will hide and cope with all the leaks, don't care.
When we visited, the screed and floor drainage were still in place, still hiding the worst leaks.
This photo was taken 8 years after the basement was complete and the internal drainage taken off the wall. It leaked all that time.
In our experience, many main contractors employ the cheapest to build the basement for them; and they charge the client double in case they have to rebuild it properly.
The approach we take is
If you have internal drainage, you need to liaise with the supplier before you build your basement, even though they cannot install anything until after your roof is on, your windows are in and your basement cleaned of everything that washed down into it while the house above was built. This is because you might need to put their membrane under internal walls before they are built.
We do our best so that your basement will never leak, not even a drop, from the concreting alone.
You have internal drainage as well for peace of mind, if you wish, or more often because your lender or your future buyer want it.
Most of our competitors give you 2 and 3. We believe we are unique giving you 1, a basement that will never leak.
Hopefully you can see the difference.
Our 12 year guarantee
Our 12 year guarantee is just a personal guarantee against visible leaks. If you need a mortgage or you plan to sell within 10 years you probably need the insurance backed warranty available with internal drainage as well.
If you need to borrow and getting a mortgage for a basement is proving difficult,
Clients in the past have
Funded the basement construction from their savings and only drawn down funds after the basement structure is complete, satisfying their lender that his money is tied up only above ground in the part of the new dwelling that has a full warranty.
Our founder once paid QANW almost £8,000 for a policy later assigned to NHBC, so that although NHBC insured the basement without internal drainage, they were fully insured themselves.
When you wish to sell, if it is within 10 years, buy a policy for the remaining time only. Warranties are only for latent defects, the completely unexpected. So if after 5 years you have no problems you will easily get insurance for the next five years.
We have a number of other pages with information.